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PostPosted: Thu 14 Sep - 08:48 (2017)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

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PBY - 
Range: 2,990 miles (100 hex), Combat payload - 1,600 miles (53 hexes) - 800 radius (26 hexes)
Payload - 2 torpedos, 2,000 lb bomb payload (Max) or 4 325lb depth charge


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina
http://pby.com/
http://pbycatalina.com/specifications/
http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/attractions/aircraft-exhibits/item/?item=pby-5a_catalina
http://www.pbycat.org/indexmobile.html
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_PBY_catalina_US_service.html

Base on historical research, recommend PBYs should be added to the following battles. 


Eastern Solomon
PBY Base 
Espritu Santos - USS Curtis (tender)
Santa Cruz - Nendo Island (hex 4338) - USS Mackinac and USS Ballar (tender) Sqd. VP-23 (9 planes)
Malaita Island (hex 3947) tender = USS MacFarland


http://www.vpnavy.org/blackcats_history.html


Takataka Bay (from https://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/solomons_malaita_island.html)
Located at the southeastern corner of Malaita Island. On August 6h, 1942 torpedo bombers from USS Saratoga overflew Maramasike and Takataka Bay and found them unoccupied. Seaplane tender USS Mackinac arrived and began operating a nine plane detachment from VP-23 with PBY Catalinas on August 8, 1942. After the Battle of Savo Island, USS Mackinac departed on August 12, 1942 for Espiritu Santo.

Santa Cruz Island
PBY Base
Espritu Santos (May be redundant because of B-17)
Santa Cruz - Vanikoro Island (hex 4536) (Will add tender name later) Sqd. VP-11

Guadalcanal Island
PBY base:
Henderson
San Christobal (hex 4046) (Will add tender name later)


Research based on links below.
http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Aircraft/PatRon91/

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Sep - 08:49 (2017)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

With fighters now banned from performing searches. I'm finding that the US is struggling to perform searches and attacks in the Solomon campaign (Eastern Solomon, Santa Cruz Island and Guadalcanal.  The US now lacks the capability to do both. Particularly in the Eastern Solomon and Santa Cruz.  In these battles bombers are in short supply and are too valuable to be spared for patrol duties.  Before this change the US had a surplus of fighter to perform this role. But with the new rule change that surplus just sits on the field. For example in ES, Espiritu Santos starts with only 3 or 4 SBDs. This means The US has only 2 planes available for scouting and 2 for attacking once they get to Henderson. You're really not going to do a whole lot of damage with 2 plane.   To make up for the lack of scouting capability the US either needs to be given PBYs or extra bomber/ torpedo bombers so that the US has sufficient scouting capabilities. Personally I think adding PBYs and a couple of bomber will work.  

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PostPosted: Tue 6 Feb - 23:55 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

For the battle of Guadalcanal, I have been over your sources but cannot find traces of PBY ar San Cristobal

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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 01:56 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Aircraft/PatRon91/


It’s in here.  For the battle of Guadalcanal I know for sure there were some at Vanikoro (hex 4536). Let me see where the info is for San Christobal. 


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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 02:05 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

Here’s info on B-24s being used for search out of Santos.  Can’t find exact start date yet.


We cover other sectors from the main base with daily patrol. The only reason we're out there is to look for Japs, principally Jap task forces with carriers, and when we find a Jap task force, about two out of three times the PBY didn't come back - a little hard on morale. He sends his contact, tries to track, and on many occasions gets shot down before he starts back. Now that we're getting B-24's to take care of the so-called "hot" sectors, that situation is much better. The PBY's still cover the greatest area down there, but the hot sectors are covered by the B-24 type, the PB4Y. The PB4Y's also stand by as relief trackers. When a PBY makes a contact, he gets his contact report out as fast as he can; then a PB4Y standing by takes off and proceeds out to continue tracking.


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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 02:11 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

Black Cat attacks Battle of Santa Cruz




I think we made the first radar night torpedo attacks. It was done on an absolutely black night during the Battle of Santa Cruz islands. We picked up a Jap target about 2 a.m. by radar at about twelve miles distance, lowered down to 100 feet altitude by the altimeter, which turned out to be accurate (that's just a pressure altimeter), and followed our blip on in until we sighted the Jap force, with one large ship in it (we couldn't tell what it was). But we could see its course and speed and its size mainly by its wake. On a black night down in tropic waters the wake of a ship is very bright and very visible. We turned out away from the ship and made a couple of practice approaches by radar. They didn't shoot at us. Finally on the fourth approach we got an ideal setup, came in, leading with the radar, and dropped as soon as we could see the ship, it was pretty close. We got a nice hit, but we suspect that the torpedo didn't go off. We'd already passed over the ship by the time the torpedo hit the ship. We could see a very bright wake, but we are afraid we dropped too close to arm. It takes 1500 feet to arm, too long at night. On a black night you first see the ship at 1500 feet, and you've got to make your last minute adjustments. 500 yards is too much of a torpedo run. We'll talk about torpedoes a little later.


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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 02:27 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

Looks like the IJNs were running low on sea planes by the end of the Solomon campaign.


Q:   What do the Japs use for their flying boat patrol planes down there?

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LT CDR COBBCONFIDENTIAL

A.   They seem to be just about out of them. They had lots of them early in the Solomons campaign. Our fighters shot them down, two of them by PBY's. They had very slight speed advantage over a PBY. One of our pilots got up above one one day and came down on him by surprise. He made one pass-over run, as we used to practice on a sleeve, so that every gunner he had got a very nice run on the Kawanishi. It went down in flames.
Q.   Were they using them just as we were, for search purposes?
A.   Just as we were, but they have none left now - four-engine Kawanishi's. We hadn't seen one in six weeks or two months. They're going into twin-engine landplanes that look very much like our PV's. We figured their top speed was 180 knots; the PV is much faster.


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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 02:34 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

B-17 and PBY operating out of Henderson starting at the battle of Santa Cruz. 


http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_PBY_catalina_US_service.html


A portent of things to come came on 25 October 1942, at the start of the battle of Santa Cruz. This time the first contact with the Japanese was made by a B-17 of the USAAF, operating from Henderson Field, although a PBY of VP-91 was only ten minutes behind. Despite this the PBY, now radar equipped, still played the main part in locating and identifying the Japanese fleet during this battle.


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PostPosted: Wed 7 Feb - 05:23 (2018)    Post subject: PBY - Data For Adding More PBY Scouts To The Game Reply with quote

Hmmm, can’t seem to find it at the moment. Wonder if I confused it with PBY attack on a sub at San Christobal. I’ll read some more. 

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